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Posted by Big Gav

A while ago I made the following offhand observation in passing as the bird flu news flow started increasing.

So what has bird flu got to do with peak oil (other than being another meme that attracts the attention of apocaphiliacs) ? Quite a few people around the traps (even with Matt no longer blogging) still seem to be keeping a wary eye on the progress of this new flu strain, which I tend to put down to Jay Hanson's throwaway line that the ultimate solution in the "dieoff" scenario is for the "elites" to use a bioweapon to depopulate the planet (thereby making sure that "they" aren't part of this aforesaid dieoff). I haven't noticed any conspiracy theory sites out there brooding obsessively on this line of reasoning, but no doubt somewhere out in the vastnesses of the internet someone is developing just such a theory.

So it came as no surprise to see that Jay himself has begun doing so. He did recently put forward an alternative to his recent plea for military dictatorship to handle his vision of the post peak period by suggesting something that sounded more like a socialist ("common interest") centrally planned economy - I didn't keep track of where that idea went, but he now seems to have merged this idea back into the military government idea.
I think I see what's coming... I was watching a TV program on the next flu... One of the guests said a new "bird flu" pandemic would end the global economy and economists didn't know how to start it again...

BINGO!

A new bird flu pandemic seems to accomplish all of the objectives I have been discussing WITHOUT the catastrophe of a nuclear war or anarchy.

#1. Most importantly, a pandemic will end "the global economy", thereby reducing reduce natural resource use by 90%. This could add decades to the life span of America and other developed countries.

#2. A pandemic will replace the current bunch of elected fuckups (a "special interest government") with the military (a "common interest government") in order to distribute NEEDS to people.

#3. A pandemic will keep the gangsters INDOORS so they won't rape and pillage.

It's brilliant. Of course, it's just a guess...

I'm not sure "briliiant" is the right word for this theory but it was predictable at least (though perhaps I should be concerned that I can now predict Jay's theories in advance).

Continuing on the bird flu and conspiracy topics, Financial Sense Online has a new article (or conspiracy theory, depnding on how you classify these things) by energy politics commentator William Engdahl on the links between Donald Rumsfeld and the company which invented Tamiflu.

As someone who is fairly conservative (in the old sense of the word) I've always found the idea of public officials profiting from large governnment programmes pretty distasteful (and Rummy isn't the only example of this) - people should make a choice between business and government and not flit between the two so that any perception of conflict of interest or corruption can be avoided.

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I don't know what to think of it. It's very possible....I just figure there's nothing I can do about it so I'm not going to worry about it for now. It's not here yet.

The same COULD be said for peak oil but I feel there is at least a chance to do something about that especially if peak is not but 20 years out. Even if we carry on on the plateau for awhile, it will allow time for preparation.

I figure if the bird flu hits me, I'm probably a goner anyway. Kind of like a nuclear hit near where I live. It won't be pretty but there isn't much I can do. Since I'm a nurse, the only thing I would hate would be that I could be separated from my family and quaranteened at my hospital until I finally succumb and die, too. Maybe I'd be one of the lucky ones, who knows, if you'd call living through the hell of what a real pandemic/plague would bring lucky.

Right now, I look at it in the same context as the swine flu, the small pox scare, and a few other hyped things.

I recently read some data that talked about how of the number who died of the 1918 Spanish flu, half died of complications like pneumonia. Back then, there were no antibiotics. So the event of antibiotics could technically cut the number of deaths down as compared to the Spanish flu statistics. Bird flu mortality statistics would probably only sound higher because we have more population than we've ever had before. We also have more elderly and disabled living only because of advanced pharmaceutical intervention. So the numbers would be higher with these variables--population and the artificially extended lives of people due to modern medicine.

But technically, if we could combat the complications with IV antibiotics and IV fluids, I believe most healthy people could survive. At least the percentage would be higher. In other words, we may not have the vaccine for the bird flu but we DO have the antibiotics and technology to help people with complications from the bird flu.

Does that reasoning make any sense?

In any event, if the bird flu were to mutate to h2h, I would prefer to get the first strain and not the strengthened succeeding strains. A "natural" innoculation provided by the first strain would lessen the effects of succeeding strains, in my opinion.

I may be twisted in my thinking but that's how I feel.

peaknik

I think you might be right about our ability to better combat H5N1 than the Spanish flu - the world's population was quite weakened by World War I and supposedly quite susceptible to it at that point in time.

Plus public health and medicine are a lot more advanced now and combined with anti-virals for those most at risk (like nurses - I hope you guys get priority access to Rummy's gold pills if it does start affecting large numbers of people).

As for getting it first, I'm not so sure about that theory. I've read some people talking about virus' burning themselves out if they are too virulent (a virus that has a live, contagious host spreads better than a immediatley fatal one), so the theory is as they spread they become weaker (which is used to explain the fact that Ebola, for example, as never become widespread - its too lethal).

Who knows though - I kind of like the (money based) conspiracy theory explanation simply because its relatively comforting to think that its just another corruption / fear scam rather than a serious threat.

But I've got no idea what the truth of the matter really is.

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