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Posted by Big Gav

I've had a reader comment asking for a stronger focus on science and the exiling of the tinfoil department to another blog. As I'm always interested in what people think about the content here I thought I'd open it up for some general discussion - if a strong majority wants tinfoil no more it will disappear (possibly to appear elsewhere, possibly not) - but that means I'll need a reasonable number of responses (don't cares are still useful feedback).

The original comment:

I've been a reader for quite some time, and found this blog to be very interesting. I'm grateful for your effort in gathering the links into a valuable digest.

However, there seems to be a growing tendency towards the 'nutbag' kind of linking. The Ratzinger/Kissinger posts for instance. Can't quite see how they directly relate to 'Peak Energy'. Reporting on rumour becomes something analogous to the media eating itself. Of interest to the individuals in the media, but...

Might I suggest a second blog for the tinfoil/nutbag sort of stuff, and keep this one for the high quality science and debate for which we visit?

My reply:
Michael - Thanks for the feedback - I'm always interested in what readers think.

I'm not sure that the tinfoil content has increased that much over time - there's always been some sort of conspiracy theory included for people to ponder. The number of items included for entertainment or simply to pique reader curiosity has certainly increased over time.

This is partly because I like to keep exposing myself (and long suffering readers) to new ideas, and partly because I try to resist succumbing to the groupthink syndrome that afflicts groups of people who all focus on the same topic by continually introducing tangentially related material. Check out these links for some of the theory underlying this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/15/AR2006101500913.html
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/10/homophily_in_so.html

That said, I have occasionally considered moving the tinfoil stuff elsewhere, but there have been 3 stumbling blocks.

Firstly, I don't have any desire to become a dedicated conspiracy theorist. The tinfoil decorations that are included generally relate to energy and the environment in one way or another - and I like to consider all schools of thought, including the paranoid ones - there are a lot of insights to be gained by not sticking to a particular party line (or even the full range of mainstream information sources). Plus I find many of them entertaining - I've always had an interest in history and parahistory has the added advantage of being completely novel.

Secondly they highlight a point that is important to keep in mind with all of this stuff - data quality matters. The number one problem with peak oil analysis is that by and large the data quality sucks and its very difficult to get certainty about anything - total reserves, peak date, alternate sources of liquid fuels all seem impossible to be quantified in a way that everyone can agree on. This is also true (to a greater or lesser extent) with all the other limits to growth. When you read a lot of commentary on these issues the writers tend to push their own view pretty firmly and don't leave much room for uncertainty. Reading tinfoil teaches you to question everything - does the person know what they are talking about ? Are they spreading disinformation or propaganda deliberately ? Is there a political bias of some sort at work ? Are they just repeating something they heard somewhere else which has been through the 1000 chinese whispers process ? Or are they simply crazy ? All these are good to keep in mind when you read or watch any form of media - conspiracy theory just makes it obvious (well - I hope it does).

Lastly - how do you decide what is tinfoil and gets exiled elsewhere, versus what is "normal" and gets to stay here ?

The scope of this blog has expanded over time as it became clear that you can't study any one problem (or solution) in isolation - "everything is connected" to use the tag line from Syriana (and from the 4th middle eastern religion for that matter).

Lets consider the main topics that I tend to cover here:

1. Peak oil and other resource limits - plenty of people consider the whole field "tinfoil" to a greater or lesser extent - go and ask Rex Tillerson or John Browne for example.

2. Global warming - some US Senators and conservative politicians here consider global warming to be a conspiracy (as does the Wall Street Journal for that matter) and a hysterical panic about nothing

3. Iraq and other resource wars - most conservatives would consider the idea that Iraq is all (or least mostly) about oil an outrageous conspiracy theory - we're there to take away Saddam's weapons of mass destruction and create conditions conducive to freedom and democracy

4. Terrorism - the idea that islamic terrorism is a form of reaction to western interference (blowback) in the region over the past century or two would be regarded as tinfoil in some quarters

5. Propaganda / surveillence / reduction of civil liberties - the idea that these are all indirect consequences of our oil dependency and the actions we take to control the oil supplies and the blowback that results would be regarded as tinfoil in some quarters

6. Solutions (which includes all the energy technology and science stuff) - if you write off some or all of the first 5 as tinfoil, then why are we bothering talking about solutions - there isn't a problem....


So - I'm open to suggestions (and will do a post on this to see what everyone else thinks), but its harder than you think to define what is tinfoil and what isn't.

In the meatime I label the obvious conpiracy theory as tinfoil and leave it to the end of the post - so you can always stop reading once the warning signal goes up and not waste any time on it.

As for Kissinger and Ratzinger - I don't follow Ratzinger's activities and don't have any particular desire to demonise him (though I am dubious about his history). The references to Kissinger were included because I noticed them in my news feeds and my next post will touch on the vexed issue of depopulation and population control - a topic he seems to be closely identified with (and as that right to life site demonstrated, not just by the communists).

I will admit the Santorum reference was just gratuitous Exxon bashing - but they are part of the problem and need to be criticised until they change their ways.

15 comments

Anonymous   says 9:44 PM

Hi Gav,
For many of the reasons you outlined (at the end), I agree with your overall approach. And at least you label the tinfoil.. even some newspapers just print it!

Maybe you could colour code the tinfoil (red for pinko socialist and blue for neo fascist) so that readers can determine in advance whether it will align with their own preconceptions... thus leading to easier acceptance? ;-)

More generally, a consistent article length would be my suggestion for the site... and perhaps "not too long".

The post titled "Jumbo Solar" was about 11 pages (using word - sans pictures) and came in at 5000 words.
I think halve this length.

I think the recent rejig looks nicer... certainly bright and friendly... "cleaner"...

Cheers SP.

Errrr - yes - they are getting a bit on the large side - I guess I'm getting a bit indiscriminate in my quoting and I seem to get through a lot of interesting stuff some nights.

I'll try and keep the length down a little...

Anonymous   says 2:29 AM

my comments:
I am for keeping the tinfoil in. The majority of content is serious in nature, so it is nice to get a different perspective thrown in, it broadens the range in your post which is always a good thing. I see your site as a left positioned collection of related news articles, where I can read articles from abroad range of sources. Cutting out the tinfoil would mean if I wanted to read those articles I have to go somewhere else. (also i think you like them,..so go with it).

It is also rare that I click on the original story link, so if the article requires it, longer quotes are fine by me, as I would not read the original.

Colourcoding, while a good idea, would restrict stories to a certain preordained stereotype, not all can be (or should).

I am happy that almost every day there is a new post, where some are long, there is nothing to say I have to read every word of your post. (I often only have time to skim)

In short, everything is awesome, im so glad someone is going through the web, cutting articles that are interesting and collecting them in all one place..keep up the good work.

cheers,
Clayton.

Anonymous   says 3:11 AM

Big Gav-
I'd leave the tinfoil in. At best, it prompts thought, and at least it serves the same purpose as the comics in the paper. I've gotten many good laughs out of the tinfoil stuff.
And no, you're not quoting too much.
And the new format looks great.
dave from Texas

Anonymous   says 4:05 AM

The blog is brilliant as it is (and many thanks for it).

Anonymous   says 5:42 AM

You do a very nice job overall. I hope you can keep things as they are.

Your blog has been very valuable to me, providing useful summries and links to articles and developments that I would not otherwise have time to search out.

And, as for the tin-foil department, I find it a rather fun diversion. Surely it is no crazier than the whacko crap most of us in the US wake up to every morning... the idea that George Bush is still our president is enough to send anyone with half a brain around the bend.

Anonymous   says 11:28 AM

Keep it as it is - it's easy to skip stuff you may not be interested in.

And thanks for the blog, it's a daily read for me.

I agree with you. If you take off the tinfoil hat all you'll have left to post is Exxon/Mobil press releases. Peak Oil, Global Warming, Hybrid engines, biofuels, solar power and wind power are all part of the international communist, homosexual, liberal, anti-christ and alien-abduction conspiracies. It is a joint conspiracy of conspiracies (more efficient that way).

Keep up the good work.

Anonymous   says 1:31 PM

I've been to CSIRO presentations about global warming, and read much else. I remain cautious, because it shows all the classic signs of crowd delusion. It may be so scientifically, or maybe not (CSIRO wasn't sure humans are responsible for it), but it's unmistakably a Madness of Crowds episode as well. And what about:
http://epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=266711

John - I've always taken a what I consider a realistic position on nuclear - I accept its less bad than coal, and that for some countries it will turn out to be the best option in the next few decades (maybe longer in some limited cases). Admittedly I don't go on and on about this but a thorough search of the archives will reveal it.

However, I think we can aim higher and try and go totally clean energy - I think this approach is more flexible, will end up being cheaper, has few side effects and a decentralised energy generation system is more resilient against all sorts of problems. So I advocate that rather than the nuclear option (particularly for local power generation).

Anon - thanks for the global warming comment (although I'm mildly aghast you linked to Senator Inhofe, who might be a successful practitioner of politics in his own way but is a really bad conspiracy theorist).

I have considered the denier case as part of my attempt to look at these issues from every point of view.

I've yet to see any convincing refutation of the scientific consensus though (in fact I've mostly just seen bad corporate disinformation campaigns funded by our friends at Exxon and some ideologically driven stuff that seems to consider any analysis of impacts on the environment as some sort of anti-business / communist conspiracy).

Of course, all information is suspect and subject to manipulation and you can make the broad majority of people believe pretty much anything if you build a good enough propaganda network, so I always remain slightly wary.

But frankly - global warming denier theories are some of the least credible tinfoil I've read.

I should also add that there has been plenty of rude comment here on this topic in the past:

http://www.google.com.au/custom?domains=peakenergy.blogspot.com&q=inhofe&sitesearch=peakenergy.blogspot.com

These 2 are some good articles to consider:

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/29/11225/543?source=daily
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/06/frank_luntz_acc.php

And to see what actual practicing climate scientists think (and its not a one way litany of environmental collapse - they choose their words carefully, keep track of RealClimate:

http://www.realclimate.org/

Anonymous   says 3:52 PM

Gav,

I too vote for keeping the loopy stuff in. It gives the posts colour.

Agree that length trimming could be improved, but don't feel constrained to editorialise at will with your own material.

Anonymous   says 4:20 AM

Where is the line of 'tinfoil' 'whistleblower' and 'truth'? What is 'yesterdays tinfoil' may be considered 'tomarrows truth'.

The idea that Enron traders were playing with electrical market rates to drive prices higher was considered 'tinfoil' at the time. Today its considered 'truth'. Burning of the reighstock - one story was told then, another now. Today's "loopy stuff" may very well be tomarrows 'golden truth'.


One reader who doesn't like 'stories' that are at odds with what s/he's been told...who's to say they aren't the ones with the 'tinfoil' needs?

You just keep doing what you are doing. If a reader doesn't like it they can apply their own filter or move on.

yeaa i agree that Maybe you could colour code the tinfoil (red for pinko socialist and blue for neo fascist) so that readers can determine in advance whether it will align with their own preconceptions... thus leading to easier acceptance? ;-)

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